Not sure who is here anymore, but I have been a poster over the years
and learned many things here and also saw some very sad personalities
appear in what would have been good discussions. However, I digress.
Just letting the community know that I have sold my nice IFR Skyhawk
after 12 years of ownership. The new owner took the annual in lieu of a
pre buy knowing the mechanic and how well I maintained the aircraft.

I have been cleaning out the hangar and either throwing things away or
getting ready to sell them.

The reason is medical. So own and fly when you have the chance, because
things can change on you.

I'll probably lurk around here from time to time. I am going to stay
active in EAA and AOPA (38 years now) and bum rides off of friends.

Stay safe and enjoy it while you can. I certainly am going to miss
looking down on the world from a perspective that not many get the
chance to do, except at 35,000 feet.
--

Regards, Ross

On 01/26/09 09:48, Ross wrote:
> Not sure who is here anymore, but I have been a poster over the years
> and learned many things here and also saw some very sad personalities
> appear in what would have been good discussions. However, I digress.
> Just letting the community know that I have sold my nice IFR Skyhawk
> after 12 years of ownership. The new owner took the annual in lieu of a
> pre buy knowing the mechanic and how well I maintained the aircraft.
>
> I have been cleaning out the hangar and either throwing things away or
> getting ready to sell them.
>
> The reason is medical. So own and fly when you have the chance, because
> things can change on you.
>
> I'll probably lurk around here from time to time. I am going to stay
> active in EAA and AOPA (38 years now) and bum rides off of friends.
>
> Stay safe and enjoy it while you can. I certainly am going to miss
> looking down on the world from a perspective that not many get the
> chance to do, except at 35,000 feet.

Sad news indeed, Ross.

I know that at some point, I will get there too (not too soon, I hope)
and am not looking forward to it. I suppose I'll just grab some dual
instruction from time to time just so I can stay in control in the
left seat.

My condolences and Best Regards,


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Ross wrote:
> Not sure who is here anymore, but I have been a poster over the years
> and learned many things here and also saw some very sad personalities
> appear in what would have been good discussions. However, I digress.
> Just letting the community know that I have sold my nice IFR Skyhawk
> after 12 years of ownership. The new owner took the annual in lieu of a
> pre buy knowing the mechanic and how well I maintained the aircraft.
>
> I have been cleaning out the hangar and either throwing things away or
> getting ready to sell them.
>
> The reason is medical. So own and fly when you have the chance, because
> things can change on you.

You can still fly light sport if you have a drivers license
and can self certify yourself safe.

> I'll probably lurk around here from time to time. I am going to stay
> active in EAA and AOPA (38 years now) and bum rides off of friends.
>
> Stay safe and enjoy it while you can. I certainly am going to miss
> looking down on the world from a perspective that not many get the
> chance to do, except at 35,000 feet.

Jim Stewart > wrote:

> You can still fly light sport if you have a drivers license
> and can self certify yourself safe.

Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
physical?

On Jan 26, 1:37*pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
> Jim Stewart > wrote:
> > You can still fly light sport if you have a drivers license
> > and can self certify yourself safe.
>
> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
> physical?

At that point though you really have to ask yourself why you should
care. So you putt around in your light sport. If at some point the FAA
finds out that you were once denied a medical you say sorry and put
your money into a bigger boat. I've never heard of a case in which the
FAA has actually given a pilot a prison sentence. As a pilot, CFI, and
aircraft owner I follow FAA regs to the letter. I do it because I have
a lot to lose. But if I were an old guy with a denied medical I would
no longer have anythnig to lose, so I'd say "screw 'em".

-Robert

Sorry to hear it, Ross.

I try to cherish every flight as if it were my last, cuz you really never
know...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
> physical?

>At that point though you really have to ask yourself why you should
>care. So you putt around in your light sport. If at some point the FAA
>finds out that you were once denied a medical you say sorry and put
>your money into a bigger boat.

My thoughts exactly. Those silly and contradictory LSA medical
certification rules have turned an awful lot of good pilots into scofflaws,
and I don't blame them one bit.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On the other hand, if I really was risking my own and other's lives by
flying without a safety pilot, then maybe it's not worth it. How would my
family and friends (or my dog!) suffer from an accident? How would my
survivors' future lives suffer if a lawsuit took away my estate? I would
need to weigh the risks and benefits carefully.

--
Best Regards,
Mike.

http://flickr.com/photos/mikenoel/

http://photoshow.comcast.net/mikenoel


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 26, 1:37 pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
> Jim Stewart > wrote:
> > You can still fly light sport if you have a drivers license
> > and can self certify yourself safe.
>
> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
> physical?

At that point though you really have to ask yourself why you should
care. So you putt around in your light sport. If at some point the FAA
finds out that you were once denied a medical you say sorry and put
your money into a bigger boat. I've never heard of a case in which the
FAA has actually given a pilot a prison sentence. As a pilot, CFI, and
aircraft owner I follow FAA regs to the letter. I do it because I have
a lot to lose. But if I were an old guy with a denied medical I would
no longer have anythnig to lose, so I'd say "screw 'em".

-Robert

Mike Adams wrote:
> Jim Stewart > wrote:
>
>> You can still fly light sport if you have a drivers license
>> and can self certify yourself safe.
>
> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
> physical?

It not "ever failed." It is "had your last physical revoked or denied."
And the answer is no.

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
>> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
>> physical?
>
>> At that point though you really have to ask yourself why you should
>> care. So you putt around in your light sport. If at some point the FAA
>> finds out that you were once denied a medical you say sorry and put
>> your money into a bigger boat.
>
> My thoughts exactly. Those silly and contradictory LSA medical
> certification rules have turned an awful lot of good pilots into
> scofflaws, and I don't blame them one bit.

My medical is up in April and I will let it lapse. No denial. As to LSA
you still have to self certify (not sure how many will be truthful), and
I cannot do that either. Looking for rides with friends.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

BTDT. Been flying since 1963. Bought a solid '75 Hawk new, hangared
and flew it 1700 HRS TT & gave it up 2 years ago as at 70 & with a
SI, I was facing a regulatory superstorm. I had flown only ~6 hrs in
my last year, and was looking at medical, annual insp, transponder
biennial, and biennial flight check from a new-to-me flight instructor
(My favorite was being sent to Iraq) in the next couple of months.

It sold in 3 days. It was funny-strange watching someone else fly it
away - for the first time.

But - I still have a 1941 Piper J4A for rebuilding & sport pilot etc
that hasn't flown since 1975. I don't miss the Cessna or that type of
flying anymore & reading the incredible fol-de-rol (sp?) of aircraft
operation in the AOPA websites, I now realize that maybe I became
almost a slave to it.

There is life after airplanes.

Gig 601Xl Builder > wrote:

> Mike Adams wrote:
>> Did they ever fix the Catch 22 on the light sport pilot that you can't
>> qualify with a drivers license if you've ever failed a regular flight
>> physical?
>
> It not "ever failed." It is "had your last physical revoked or denied."
> And the answer is no.

Yea, I understand the distinction. I was just speaking casually. I guess
the other option I have heard of is taking a "trial physical" before really
taking one for score, just to see if you have any conditions that might be
significant.

Mike

Ross makes a very good point here that is often misunderstood. LSA pilots
(like glider pilots) self-certify.
This is different from "not requiring a medical." The basic premise of the
medical exam is to rule out obvious disabilities (or at least defer them to
a demonstration of ability) and then frame your sudden risk of
incapacitation based on the class of medical.

The LSA requires an unrestricted drivers license which provides for the
first component (you don't require hand controls or a seeing eye dog) and
you are expected to use adult common sense on your known health conditions
for the latter.

Ross, sorry to hear about selling your airplane. I applaud your judgement
and am sure its an insight into your cockpit decision making. We will all
join there eventually if not abruptly.

Regards
Todd


"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> As to LSA you still have to self certify (not sure how many will be
> truthful), and

On Jan 27, 7:38*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> I try to cherish every flight as if it were my last, cuz you really never
> know...

Ditto here...

On Jan 26, 11:48*am, Ross > wrote:

> Stay safe and enjoy it while you can. I certainly am going to miss
> looking down on the world from a perspective that not many get the
> chance to do, except at 35,000 feet.

Sorry to hear this Ross...

But also think that you did something that not many people did.....

Those memories can never be taken away....

nrp wrote:
> BTDT. Been flying since 1963. Bought a solid '75 Hawk new, hangared
> and flew it 1700 HRS TT & gave it up 2 years ago as at 70 & with a
> SI, I was facing a regulatory superstorm. I had flown only ~6 hrs in
> my last year, and was looking at medical, annual insp, transponder
> biennial, and biennial flight check from a new-to-me flight instructor
> (My favorite was being sent to Iraq) in the next couple of months.
>
> It sold in 3 days. It was funny-strange watching someone else fly it
> away - for the first time.
>
> But - I still have a 1941 Piper J4A for rebuilding & sport pilot etc
> that hasn't flown since 1975. I don't miss the Cessna or that type of
> flying anymore & reading the incredible fol-de-rol (sp?) of aircraft
> operation in the AOPA websites, I now realize that maybe I became
> almost a slave to it.
>
> There is life after airplanes.

Thanks for that. I know there will be something to do. I just do not
want to take up golf again like my wife wants me to do. Maybe restoring
a plane or building one, even though I cannot fly will consume me. I
spent 3 years assisting on building a Murphy Moose.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Todd W. Deckard wrote:
> Ross makes a very good point here that is often misunderstood. LSA pilots
> (like glider pilots) self-certify.
> This is different from "not requiring a medical." The basic premise of the
> medical exam is to rule out obvious disabilities (or at least defer them to
> a demonstration of ability) and then frame your sudden risk of
> incapacitation based on the class of medical.
>
> The LSA requires an unrestricted drivers license which provides for the
> first component (you don't require hand controls or a seeing eye dog) and
> you are expected to use adult common sense on your known health conditions
> for the latter.
>
> Ross, sorry to hear about selling your airplane. I applaud your judgement
> and am sure its an insight into your cockpit decision making. We will all
> join there eventually if not abruptly.
>
> Regards
> Todd
>
>
> "Ross" > wrote in message
> ...
>> As to LSA you still have to self certify (not sure how many will be
>> truthful), and
>
>

Thanks. I am just glad I was able to sell it so quickly to a good friend
that knew how well it was maintained in the last 12 years. When I sold
my 21' boat back in '96 it was the same thing, a good friend bought it
with out a hassle because of the care it had.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

A Lieberma wrote:
> On Jan 26, 11:48 am, Ross > wrote:
>
>> Stay safe and enjoy it while you can. I certainly am going to miss
>> looking down on the world from a perspective that not many get the
>> chance to do, except at 35,000 feet.
>
> Sorry to hear this Ross...
>
> But also think that you did something that not many people did.....
>
> Those memories can never be taken away....

Agreed and keep the videos coming. I enjoy "flying" though you. Maybe I
should try what MX does....wait, no that's not a good idea.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI